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be open to reparations paid in some way to the descendents of slaves that topic is back on the docket on capitol hill. watch this. >> that is what we need to do. a reckoning, a healing, repairive justice. >> black americans asking for a hand up, not a handout. >> chamberly klacik and richard fowler join us soon on that. we will also share with you my interview with rush limbaugh way back in 2007. we had a really interesting conversation for about an hour at his eib studios in florida. i will show you some of this unefforted video in just a little while. first today the year long covid battle over lockdowns comes to a head with this simple but hugely important question and this kind of squishy, nonanswer to this very important question about the validity of lockdowns. watch. this contrast states like florida and california, california basically in lockdown and their numbers aren't that different from florida.
>> so much as at -- virus that we think we understand that we think we can predict that just -- a little bit beyond our explanation. >> martha: a little bit beyond our explanation. i mean, this is the essential way of doing things versus florida. and it turns out to the numbers are, in fact, similar. california's total number of coast cases as a percentage of their population is about 8.8. almost the same as you see in florida. now, look at deaths as a percentage of that. also very similar in the numbers that you can see here separated by two tenths of a point even though each of these governors newsom and desantis took very different tactics in terms of how to handle this in their states. hard to really imagine any more important question when you look at what we have faced over the last year congressman michael waltz represents his home state of florida and he joins us now. congressman waltz, good to have
you back on the program today. thank you for being with us. >> yeah. sure, martha. >> martha: your thoughts on that, first of all? because, really the central question when you look at the havoc that has been reeked in the economy. look outside the window in new york half the windows are boarded up. everything is closed. thousands of people have left the city. these numbers show that it didn't necessarily matter in the outcome. >> no, that's right. i can answer his question. biden's covid adviser for him, lockdowns don't work. the data has proved that now. and common sense does work. and that is showing to be the case in florida. i would add one more thing to the statistics that you showed is florida has one of the oldest populations in the country and, yet, our numbers are the same, our economy is open. our kids are in schools. and, you know, companies like disney are voting with their feet, with their major operations in both california
shut down. they are moving into florida. and then the people are voting with their feet. but, martha, i think it really underscores really the governing philosophy difference between liberalism and conservatives. liberals think government has all the answers and conservatives believe that people can make those decisions and the school issue, i think, 19 best case of it. in florida we have been open since last august. and we give families the choice where they can go to school in person, they can do hybrid, or they can do virtual as perhaps they have someone that is vulnerable and exposed. but the people, whether it's business owners don't want to get their customers or their employees sick, we let people decide whether a to do with their money, how to handle this virus. and make the best decisions for themselves and that has not been the approach there. >> martha: he said since the beginning he wasn't going to fine businesses that chose to stay open. he gave them the freedom to decide if they wanted to be open or didn't want to open and people whether or not they felt safe shopping and not safe shopping. when you look at these numbers, it turns out that it's roughly
equal. you think about the benefit to the economy to the businesses to the kids that got to go to school and as you say, a lot of people are voting with their feet because they seem to be behind that idea. speaking of teachers, watch this exchange on "the today show" with kamala harris on the question of whether or not the biden administration believes that they should go back to school and teach in the classroom or whether or not they should be vaccinated first. watch this. >> can you reassure teachers who are listening right now that it is safe for them to go back to school even if they are not vaccinated? >> teachers should be a priority. >> is it safe for them? >> well, i think that we have to decide if we can put in place safe measures. >> cdc's own science says schools are not a source of community risk. >> so, here's the thing. what the cdc, what they have recommended are exactly that. recommendations. >> martha: i am sorry. i have to, you know, sort of chuckle. because, you know, all through
the trump administration, right, every time the cdc said something it was gospel. and if the white house -- you know, if there was any daylight between what they said and the white house and president trump said, it was, you know, armageddon. >> national news,. >> martha: she is pointing out well, that's just their recommendation? why? why do you think that is? why do you think they hesitate to many do down on the side of what the cdc is telling them? >> yeah. that's the easy answer, too. that's for the power of the teacher's union in democratic politics. i mean, it's just straightforward because we are demonstrating right now we do not have mass deaths amongst our students or teachers. you can do this in a way that makes sense. in many of those lockdown states the private schools are open. the thing that has me so upset about it, martha, it is just class warfare. if you are wealthy enough you can send your kids to private school. if you are a white collar worker you can stay at home and work with them. but if you are a construction worker, a maid, a waitress, what do you do with your kids locked
down at home? it's just wrong on so many levels. and why they won't own up to it and take a common sense approach one can only point to pure politics. >> martha: lots more to talk about but we have to leave it there representative waltz we will see you soon i hope. thank you very much. >> all right. >> for sure. >> martha: the fbi is closing are governor cuomo's nursing home response. ron kim publicly pushing back on his own governor. is he a democrat and so is governor cuomo. now he says that governor cuomo called him at his house at 8:00 at night and yelled at him 10 straight minutes. the governor said that not happen. mr. kim joins us with his side next. ♪ flush ♪ so when my windshield cracked... my friend recommended safelite autoglass. they came right to me, with expert service
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♪ >> martha: governor andrew cuomo actions during covid is now under fbi investigation. he also reportedly threatened to, quote, destroy democratic new york assemblyman ron kim if kim didn't help cover up the nursing home scandal. that is according to the new york lawmaker who says that the governor yelled and pee rated and threatened him during a 10-minute phone call to his home at 8:00 in the evening. the governor's office denies this. assemblyman ron kim joining the program once again. mr. kim, good to have you back again. we are going to be with you in just one moment. first bring in bryan llenas with the update on all of this live from new york for us. hi, brian. >> hi, martha. well, look, new york state democratic leaders in the assembly are reportedly getting ready to move to strip the emergency pandemic powers away from governor andrew cuomo. it's an effort that has been led by democratic assemblyman ron kim, who accuses governor cuomo of abusing his power of
obstruction of justice for purposely withholding nursing home death toll data for months from state lawmakers and the public because of fear of political consequences. now, kim was in the private meeting where cuomo's top aide der rosa admitted thi he believes withholding the data kept the state from understanding the full extent of the crisis and it cost lives. the fbi and u.s. attorney in brooklyn are now reportedly investigating. well, yesterday, governor cuomo dismissed kim and then attacked his integrity. >> my office, more than me, has had a long and hostile relationship with assemblyman ron kim. he has a meeting last week with other legislators and members of my staff. on the tape at the meeting he says positive things. there is then a story that moves in the "new york post" where he says the exact opposite. >> blindsided kim then revealed that cuomo called him last week
in a loud, angry voice and threatened to destroy his career if he didn't back down on his claims of a cover-up. today new york city mayor bill de blasio blasted cuomo and defended kim. >> it's a sad thing to say but that's classic andrew cuomo. a lot of people in new york state have received those phone calls. you know, the bullying is nothing new. i believe ron kim and it's very, very sad. >> cuomo's office says kim is lying and the governor denies any cover-up. martha? >> martha: bryan llenas, thank you very much, brian. here now with a fox exclusive democrat new york assemblyman ron kim whose uncle died in a nursing home after battling covid-19. mr. kim, thank you for come back to the program. we appreciate it. can you explain to us, you said you were at home around 8:00, about to give your kids a bath and you and your wife and the phone rings and the governor is on the other line.
what does he say to you? >> well, the first words that came out of his mouth was asking me if i were an honorable man. and he continued to yell and let me know that i haven't seen my his wrath and his anger. i'm sorry, my daughter -- thanks. sorry,. >> martha: no problem. >> that he will, you know, the next day that he can go out tomorrow and start telling the world of how bad of a person i am and pretty much ruin and finish my career and my livelihood. he also said, you know, he has been biting his tongue for months about me. >> martha: why would that be, even before all this happened? why would that be? >> i don't know. it's all part of a ploy in retrospect. in order to pressure me and scare me into issuing this statement that night.
he specifically said don't do this tonight, not tomorrow. which is to lie about what i heard in the meeting. saying, you know, he actually asked me and belittled me and said are you a lawyer? i said i'm not. then you obviously, -- sweety, i'm sorry. sweety. hazel, please, baby. sorry. thanks, babe. >> martha: it's okay. it's a zoom world we all live in now. it's quite all right. he says he didn't threaten you. his staff said mr. kim is lying about his conversation with governor cuomo thursday night. i know because i was one of the three people in the room when the phone call occurred at no time did anyone threaten to destroy anyone with their wrath nor engage in any cover-up. what do you say to them? >> yeah. i mean his team every day defends different versions of the facts and truth. but as the chair of the asian committee and lawmakers like me, you know, we are constantly pursuing the singular truth
behind what happened in our nursing homes. the truth is governor allowed top donors to dictate policies. writing business friendly policies like legal immunity for nursing homes that we talked about and he ordered the state government to cover up life and death information. and took the way-away our ability. the lawmakers our ability to legislate and change the outcome of this pandemic. >> so you are saying that he was and i just want to go back. i know we spoke about this last time. you say there was a financial interest that was part of this? can you explain that to everybody? what his motivation was? >> there was a legal immunity provision that the governor put in to our budget that most people did not even know about. i voted against it. many of us did. only passed by one vote last year in that budget. giving legal immunity, get out of jail free card for some of the worst nursing home executives in the state of new york. and records show that he
received close $1.25 million for last several, several months leading up to the pandemic from the same industry who bragged about writing the bill. they sent out a press release on april 3rd that we got it done. this is a gold standard for the entire country. >> martha: so you are saying that he essentially they moved these patients from the hospitals into the nursing homes and then they gave the nursing homes cover for whatever might happen there so these families will not be able to sue that say that their loved ones had been mistreated. they had to be basically hands off according to this legislation, correct? >> correct. if we had the real data, martha, imagine if we had the real information. we would have been able to repeal the toxic immunity right away. that is the point. and that is the real reason we believe that there was a cover-up of the information because they were listening to the business interest behind nursing homes.
65% of nursing homes are for profit in the state of new york. so they are driven by quarterly profit. not saving people's lives. but when you give them the legal immunity, they are not spending the money. they are not doing everything possible to hire staff and buy ppe and he give them that card and if i had the data, my colleagues and i would have fought to repeal that provision. >> martha: do you think he hangs onto the governorship? >> you know, i know this whole thing has turned to about the governor and my, you know, experience with them. but as a lawmaker, i'm still focused on policy. even today, if they call me and say i want to work on this policy, then and undo all the mistakes, i will be there in an hour to work with them. and that's my job. others can go vat and do all the things necessary to hold them accountable. but right now i want to get it right because still people in the nursing home needing
protection. >> martha: bill de blasio backed up your account not familiar with your specific account but saying it didn't surprise him at all that he has he has heard a lot of that kind of bullying from the governor. i hope you will come back and keep us posted. i also want to talk to some of these heads of these nursing homes and learn more about their policy and the immunity and how that impacted their decision-making process in the course of all of this assemblyman kim, thank you so much. good to have you here. say hi to hazel. >> thank you, bi. >> martha: all right. so the white house now chiming in on the heels of a hot debate on capitol hill as the issue of reparations returns. >> is it practical united states government to pay reparations it is also unfair and heartless to be a black american to hope that this is a reality. >> martha: kim klacik and richard fowler next. ♪ ♪ ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ hey limu! [ squawks ] how great is it that we get to tell everybody
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administration sheely jackson lee and debated in the house. watch this. >> now, more than ever, the facts and circumstances facing our nation demonstrate the purpose of hr 40 and the necessity of placing our nation on the path to repairive justice. reparations is not the way to write wrongs if we are sincere repaying plaque americans for our loss. give us back our history. >> martha: kimberly klacik joins us now president of red renaissance and richard fowler senior fellow at the new leaders. richard, let me start with you. you hear the back and forth. i guess the question is, you know, is slavery in america the reason that we have rach disparities today or is it coming from something else? >> well, i definitely think that slavery is the reason we have racial disparity today. i think it's important for us to look back at history, martha and see what we can learn.
here is what we do know. in 1988, ronald reagan passed a law allocating $1.6 billion to japanese americans in reparation because they were in intermment camps during world war ii. that was one war that wasn't for 200 years of slavery. that wasn't jim crow that was one war. what hr 40 does it doesn't cut checks to black americans. what it says is let's study the ideal of reparations. let's study the economic impact of enslavement. s to it have recursors ands to it have impact on today's society and what are the economic outcomes of that and what should we do as a nation. i don't understand why we can't pull up the rug and actually have a conversation and have a study about impact of enslavement on america. >> martha: when i hear the administration is going to do a study to me that's like well we will talk about it later. because it's sort of an appease wanted move to say we are going to do a study. maybe i'm wrong. maybe this will actually lead to something. but that seems to be where it is right now.
kimberly, the same question to you, are the issues that the racial issues that we have in this country, do they go back to slavery or is it something else that is more evident or more the reason for what we see today? >> well, i agree with richard. you have to look at history here. let's be honest. slavery happened across the world and it was tragic but we have to look at what happened after the fact. you know, first, you have to determine first who pays for what? right? and 13 states that joins the confederacy, you had 28% of black americans in those states that actually owned black people as well. they were slave openers. then you had the cher key indians and other cher key tribes. when you look at the numbers today 5% of white people generationally connected to slavery. are you asking that 5% to take on that burden? and then secondly, you have to prove the fact that slavery is the reason that some black people are struggling today and others are not. richard and myself do not live
bloat poverty line. the fact in the 1940s 80% of black people living bloat poverty line. you got to the 160s, you only had 47% living below the poverty line and we were able to make that jump without reparations. so, you have to be able to look at what's going on here in 1956 when they introduced the welfare state, i think that he is whether a to blame for the problem that we see today. when you ask a black woman to marry the government rather than marrying the father of her children, we started to see the decline. and i think it is a broken family structure and the poor education system in my opinion. >> martha: for sure there is a lot there. go ahead, respond. >> this is definitely a lot there to unpack. but i think it's really important like kim said to go back in history. and if ronald reagan could do it for the japanese americans after one war less than a decade worth of time and i think it's important for us as a country to say what is the real impact of enslavement? the idea that in 1865 we said you are free and you can go and we didn't deal with the roots of
slavery, the idea that you had no culture, no identity. >> martha: what about the argument that kimberly makes. address one of the things that she said head on which is how do you figure out who actually has to do that, right? you have got this smaller percentage of people connections to the families that actually did that why should families who had no connection to that whatsoever have to pay for what happened with what their ancestors did a long, long time ago? >> that's a great question, martha. and in 1865, general sherman had the answer he said he wanted to allocated confiscated land from traitors to slaves. one year that was reversed. i think the place to start is where was that confiscated land? what the value of that confiscated land and how do we allocate the value of that land to the american people saying the government made the decision to take that land away. >> martha: it was overruled as you say. all right. it's a big topic. richard and kimberly, thank you very much. good to have both of you with us today. >> thank you. >> good see you.
>> martha: all right. still ahead. dig into the video archives here at fox finds my interview with rush limbaugh. this one was 14 years ago. i hope you will stick around to see that it was quite an interesting afternoon. coming up next, trump voters as the former president reemerges do they want him back? ♪ ♪ here's exciting news for veteran homeowners who need cash. refiplus from newday usa. it lets you refinance at today's record low rates plus get cash. with mortgage rates low and home values high refiplus can help you lower your rate plus turn your home equity into an average of $50,000. money for security today. money for retirement tomorrow. refiplus from newday usa.
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limbaugh but whether it comes to trump's political future, a sampling of more than is thousand people by quinnipiac, the particular poll is, revealed that americans are split on whether he should be able to hold office again 55% say no according to that measure. >> so, right now, we invited back two voters who we spoke with throughout the campaign of 2020. both of whom in the end supported president trump christopher is a finance manager from miami and colleen is a stay-at-home mom from cleveland. great to have both of you with us today. i guess it's a simple question, colleen and i will start with you. given everything that has happened over the last few months since the election, would you want the former president to run for president again? >> yes. absolutely. i like what he stood for. i didn't vote for him first time around but somewhere in the middle i decided to start following just to see what he
was about and i really like his fight for human traffics. that is absolutely what sealed the deal for me. i am a mom of three young children and the fact that we had a president that was will to stand up and speak about it. he spoke about it. i would watch the coronavirus -- his briefings faithfully and he would always talk about his fight against human trafficking in the end. and, you know, amongst many things he brought up our economy like gas prices were down. he has done a lot. and that is what drew my attention to him and i would absolutely vote for him again. he did a fantastic job. >> martha: okay. christopher, as you look back over the months since the election, a lot has happened. did it change your feelings at all about president trump? >> not really. i still love what trump did during his presidency from a policy standpoint though. from his behaviors and the fact that he lost the election i thought it was time to move on
from trump from a political standpoint. we have great guys like dan crenshaw and my guy ron desantis those are the leaders of the republican party and who i would like to see run in 2024. >> martha: so matt gaetz agrees with you the congressman from florida here is what he had to say if not trump then who. that question. watch this. >> what ron desantis didn't say but which is the truth is that the biden folks know that if donald trump is knot the candidate in 2024 the leader of our movement will be ron desantis. he is a strong potential presidential candidate in 2024. the biden team knows that and so they are trying to somehow cast aspersions on the florida experience because, you know what? throughout america, there is a lot of florida envy right now. >> martha: a lot of florida envy right now. let me just ask you about you for a second, christopher. you know, when you listen to that, you say you would support ron desantis for governor. you know what do you think about the fact that president trump
has said he wants to get involved in some of these 2022 senate races and try to primary people that didn't line up with him even in his own party. what do you think about that? >> i hope that trump can stay on the sidelines. maybe root for certain guys. i would like for him to promote ron desantis. he has done an amazing job as governor. schools are open. my kids are back in school. it worries me how so many kids in the country can't go back to school. it's sickening. but, no, i hope trump stays on the sideline and promotes other people to be running for office. not himself. >> martha: all right. we will check back in with you both. thank you for being here today. colleen and christopher. good to see you again. >> thank you. >> martha: thanks, guys. an interview i did with rush limbaugh more than a decade ago and his response to this personal question. >> when i told people that i was doing this interview with you a couple of them said i will never forget the day that rush came back from his experience in rehab and what it was like listening to him very strong, you know, man.
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malaria march breaking right noe dhs is filling as it begins to vaccinate ice detainees. ice releasing a statement it's up to each state to decide when detainees are vaccinated as part of vaccination plan. come under fire from minority whip steve scalise who calls it a quote slap in the face to americans it is often said politics is perception. a phrase that may be getting some news today are a a journalist tweeted this photo of texas senator ted cruz flew to
cancun as his state got pummeled by a snow storm that has left millions without power and over 20 people have lost their lives in this horrific situation in texas. now the senator a short time ago said with school canceled for the week our girls asked to take a trip with friends wanting to be a good dad i flew down with them last night and flying back this afternoon. in constant communication. among those criticizing the lincoln project. took time away from battling scandal to take a dig at the senator. back for the moment the lincoln project. the controversy around the group and calls to shut down those calls continue today. let's get the latest from our correspondent who has been all over this story gillian turner joining us from washington. hi, gillian. >> hi, martha. the lincoln project leadership acknowledging the string of crises they are facing putting up first pr effort to address these allegations of sexual
misconduct against john weaver and mounting financial troublings in a new statement they say quote we have been operating like a campaign and we know we have to put in place organizational structures and processes to continue our evolution. responding to reports that management misspent tens of millions of dollars and siphoned off huge sums to shadow firms operated by the group's co-founders they say they will put together, quote, a stewardship report for our donors that will break down expenditures so our donors understand how we spent their contributions. this, though, might not be not enough will leaders knew about shower. allegations for months stayed silent allowing john weaver unfettered access to young men. a statement from former employees reads if the lincoln project's leadership knew weaver was a serial predator in march but continued to place interns recommended by weaver in the spring and summer the lincoln project knowingly put some of us and our lgbtq colleagues in
danger. a former executive director with the project sarah agrees she says leadership knew about allegations a year ago but stifled them in order to continue raking in millions of dollars in donations to fight president trump. they say they feel good about where they're headed in 2021. and continuing to take in loot of money. top political operatives including our own karl rove are predicting quite clearly that the boon times are open for the lincoln project. maybe the whole business is going to shutter quite soon. martha? >> martha: good coverage. gillian, thank you so much. fillian turner in washington. so joining me now for the debut addition of a new segment called wise words from the "wall street journal" editorial page deputy editor dan heatinger and bill mcgurn and columnist jason riley also a senior fellow at the manhattan institute. gentlemen, great to have all of you with us today. let's do a quick around the horn on whether or not the lincoln project survives and then i want to talk to you all about rush
limbaugh. dan? your thoughts? >> i think it will probably survive maybe on less money. but, you know, politics have become a multimillion dollars industry. there is so much money sloshing around out there. we see the amounts raised in campaigns these days. the lincoln project apparently managed to raise $85 million. but this is an industry without a lot of accountability. and obviously much more was needed at the lincoln project. it is hardly shocking that this sort of thing would occur when there is so much more coarsing through its covers. >> martha: one of the things that jumped out at me in a statement they put out today we have to stop treating this like a campaign i can't help but think is that how you try to handle a campaign try to figure out where the money is going and covering up, potentially for some of she's sexual harassment charges? >> i thought this was all about campaigns about denying donald
trump the presidency and going after other republican senators they didn't like. there is so much money that they raised and there is still millions left it will probably go on in some form diminished and even without the scandal. i'm not sure how it would have survived in a post trump war. you know, they need donald trump in way to continue going. once he was gone, really the need for the lincoln project, i think, finished. >> martha: jason, your thoughts? >> yeah, just to pick up on what bill was saying. i think this is like any number of organizations that achieve their objectives and now they are searching for relevance and purpose. >> and while that process is taking place, you are seeing a lot of infighting and finger pointing and corruption, frankly, and, you know, i don't know what the lincoln project stands for anymore increasingly it's hard to distinguish them from any liberal political organization in which case at least i would like some truth in advertising.
>> martha: i want to get your thoughts on rush limbaugh and i want to start yesterday and deservedly and fittingly it was a lot of reminiscing about are you sure's moments on the radio and his different appearances and who he is as a man. there is also just a lot of attacks flying all over the place on social media where that's par for the course in a lot of ways. i want to play some of this reaction to his death from some of the other networks. and i want to get your reaction to, you know, the other side of the attacks that he weathered all those years. watch this. >> the rush limbaugh show quickly became known for its extremity conservative slant and limbaugh's at times racist and big gouted commentary. >> what i heard was a guy who took white americans out there in the hinterland and fed them a narrative of you're the victim. >> he had a listenership of 20 million people. he spewed lies. >> those people out there in the
hinter lands, you know how they are. across the middle of america. jason, let me start with you. your thoughts? >> well, i always thought rush was very entertaining. that's what i found so appealing about him. i listened to him when i was in college in the early 1990s on the way to and from campus in my car it. this was a time of surging political correctness and multi-culturallism and identity politics and are you sure was very politically incorrect. and he had a field day going after the liberal extremists. i was amused they got upset with one guy. they this abc, nbc, cbs and npr yet rush limbaugh had to go down. they spent 30 years trying to take him down and i always found that curious. >> martha: bill? >> yeah, i think rush accepted if you stand for something people are going to try to tear you down. i first met him when i was at nash review in the early 1990s when he was starting out. it was funny. he used to say i don't demand
equal time. i am equal time. and he was just brilliant at his craft. he dominated radio for about a third of the life that the industry has been around. and i remember when the remember when the liberals were trying to start alternative. he said they would fail because he didn't understand the people and the humor. the human wasn't about smearing people. for liberals they are the entertainment of his show. and he was a genius. >> martha: march play a soundbite if i could this interview we did a decade ago the personal side of his own struggles. watch this. >> martha: let me say to people that are not among the 20 million people out there who listen to you all the time and who hear phrases like that and say gee, that's pretty pompous. what do you say about that? >> i don't care. i do my program for the audience. and it's building. it's a talent on loan from god. i'm blessed by god cutting edge,
i am. i'm leading a movement. leading a broadcast revolution on am radio. i'm very confident about myself and i don't mind telling people things i like about myself. i don't believe in false humility. >> martha: dan? >> rush was blessed. and let me explain one way in which he was, indeed, blessed. he is thought to have been culture warrior fighting that his critics were just suggests because they are subsumed with the culture wars. rush limbaugh was able, martha to talk about things like tax policy or deregulation. supply side taxes. he was very interested in an economy that was growing for everybody. his gift, his blessing, which is that he was able to explain ideas like that to anybody. he was an every man and he explained it in a way that anyone could understand and that's why it developed into such an enormous powerful
movement. >> martha: thank you, gentlemen. great to have you here. we will do a lot more of that in the coming days as we remember rush limbaugh. be sure to catch -- thank you all. be sure to catch limbaugh's legacy and exclusive collection of shows and specials streaming on fox nation. make the interview i did with him available as well. up next, the moment we have been waiting for. the marsz rover prepares to land in the most terrifying seven minutes that nasa has seen in quite a while. they expect a successful landing whether we come right back. stay with us. ♪ ♪ of liberty and talk about how liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? uhhh... yes. huh... what happens in this one? seagulls. oh, i like it. how are you doing? (seagulls sounds) only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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touchdown has been celebration in pasadena, california. it's a jet propulsion laboratory mission control room which was on pins and needles all day following this every step of the way. but the space craft was sending heart beat tones so it knew it was on track telemetry everything was going great. seven minutes of terror just expired and now everybody is waiting for the first image which i'm told will be a low resolution image from the martian surface probably a landscape shot and then all of the great high resolution images will be coming in over the next days, weeks and a couple of years. the rover launched back in july from kennedy space center in florida. and it's on track -- well it landed went 300 million miles over seven months and nasa is calling it the final dissent that seven minutes of terror. that's when it went through
mars' atmosphere. 2800 degrees burning on that heat shield. come in 12,000 miles an hour and then slowed down giant parachute. landing crane with reverse thrusters and threaten dropped down to a gentle 2 miles per hour. and, again, they just confirmed that touchdown did in fact happen. it appears everything went smoothly and that this rover perseverance is going to be in great shape for an estimated two year to 10 year mission. now, it's equipped with 19 cameras. and two microphones so that we will be able to not only see mars, but you will also be able to hear what it is like to be on mars. it targeted landing crater which they say used to be a lake bed. they're hoping to core out and finally get some definitive proof that microbial life once existed on the red planet. martha, exciting day.
>> martha: 300 million miles away. that's a number that's hard to wrap your brain around. it's astonishing. what an achievement. phil, thank you so much. >> yeah. >> martha: tomorrow we will take another look at my 2007 interview with rush limbaugh as we remember him. that's "the story." we will see you back here tomorrow, everybody. thanks so much. ♪ >> neil: we are on mars, again. and in a country and a world that's getting buffeted by political storms and a united states a very real one icy conditions amongst much of the political conditions in washington. it is sometimes wise to look up in the sky and see something good, something that the united states of america has done. for the eighth time we are on the martian surface although this is not your usual trip. we are there with a combination rover and helicopter and eventually a means by which samples that will be collected from the martian